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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number 735 for the 6th of

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November 2022 Richard Saunders coming to

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you from Sunny Sydney Australia I tell

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you what folks I tell you what earlier

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on in the week I was doing some filming

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on a new movie

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starring a very very well-known

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Hollywood star but more about that at

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some other time

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in any case we were filming downtown in

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the middle of the city between buildings

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in a sort of an artificial Canyon these

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buildings make up in any major city and

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the wind I swear

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where was direct from the Antarctic it

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was blustery it was cold it was bone

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Sydney in November can be like this

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even though it was freezing cold we know

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that spring is here no is it here

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the dates in Australia are funny when it

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comes to Seasons spring is either here

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or it's not far away but there are

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blooms flowers are blooming so spring

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has sprung in Sydney anyway maybe in

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Melbourne too

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and they say that show business is

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glamorous hmm

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coming up on this week's show something

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that was glamorous was the recent uh

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cycon in Las Vegas and our guest

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reporter Rob Palmer

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roves around the halls at the Flamingo

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Hotel and this time he bumps into David

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Grimes one of the speakers at the scicon

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who is a cancer researcher and also with

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a friend of ours who uh joins us on the

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trivia Susan gerbeck's trivia every week

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remyo Rodriguez and finally the and

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finally Rob has a few words with uh

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noted author and biologist Richard

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following that Adrian Hill brings us the

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Australian Skeptics newsletter once

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again

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from the land of Canada it all makes

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sense yes the best place to read the

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Australian Skeptics newsletter is Canada

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thank you Adrian

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then another classic report from 2016

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with Joe Alabaster evidence please with

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Joe Alabaster and Joe looks at

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biodynamic gardening yes

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truth can be Stranger Than Fiction

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what's it all about find out with Joe

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Alabaster then to round off the show

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it's the Trove archives or this time I

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think we go further afield to the United

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States to read a report a review and an

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interview with James Randy about his

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book The Magic of Yuri gella nor as it

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was uh later

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uh titled the truth about Yuri gella a

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fascinating little look into history

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and as I mentioned in the segment

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um we've got these two forces throughout

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fiction in history we can think about

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Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty

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or more recently we have the doctor as

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in Doctor Who and the master

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mid 70s a fascinating time in the

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history of skepticism now here's some

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special news for people in Sydney and

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surrounding areas on the 24th of

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November coming up not so many weeks

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away Skeptics in the pub is back in

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at a slightly different location just

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Skeptics in the pub but that's not as

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important as the guests we have lined up

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none other than Dr Cole cruzonesky Plus

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all the members of the ESP podcast the

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European Skeptics podcast plus Claire

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klingenberg all these people will be at

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Skeptics in the pub on Thursday the 24th

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of November here in Sydney and if you

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want to come along you need to register

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your place head to meet up

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and look for Oster Skeptics I'll put a

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link in this week's show notes and

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please register because uh spaces are

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strictly limited you can imagine we

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expect a big turnout for a stellar

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lineup of skeptical guests but now it's

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time for me to run downstairs and read

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the Lolly cabinet or the candy cabinet

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where you are in the world

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because I discovered a giant uh what

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they call a giant Lolly store here in

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I found another speaker who I actually

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saw the talk it was fantastic please

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introduce yourself and let us know what

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your talk is about hello my name is

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David Robert Grimes I am a Scientist and

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author and my talk was about critical

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thinking and why it's really important

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and how we get it horribly horrifically

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wrong so often and is this your first

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silicon yeah yeah I mean it's it's

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fascinating setup it's brilliant but

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it's it's really nice to be here so I'm

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detecting an accent by the way which is

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not American and not Australian so what

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in the UK for a long time and I've lived

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in the states occasionally so I'm a bit

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of a mongrel you know so what other

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talks did you attend and what sticks in

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your mind is a really great do you know

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what I haven't seen any bad talks that's

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um Lima is a limac excellent talk

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well so he is hysterical he's kind of

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course he is yeah yeah but but it's a

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Oxford and in the sheldonian and how I

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story but uh but that was in the

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the first time after a pandemic so um I

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success yeah it's day and age well very

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nice running into you and thank you for

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giving us a few words well absolutely

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pleasure and I hope you enjoyed the rest

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I found another conference attendee to

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introduce yourself hello everyone I'm

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Carolina in Triangle Skeptics and this

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of these skeptical conferences I've been

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to Nexus but I've never been to uh

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scicon and uh since I've been hanging

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the plunge and come so hanging out how

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hanging out if she lives on the west

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coast and you're on the East Coast

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where where he's been up to so uh which

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well what talks did you like so far so

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garbage yeah Susan gerbeck's talk let's

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just talking to people and getting to

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getting to know people and hanging out

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that I asked what draws you to the

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conferences and you'd be surprised at

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how many people say they like the

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speakers and the talks but they really

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come for the friendships that they make

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over the years and meeting other

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John guy who has written a book on

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skepticism and uh he's just uh it's like

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book and so I decided to buy it and I

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you very much and enjoy the rest of the

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conference thank you thank you

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scicon there's only a few things left

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today on Saturday and then the Sunday

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papers and I have run into a very

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special guest of scicon please introduce

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award to Neil deGrasse Tyson what was

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that all about well every year the CFI

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the center for inquiry presents the

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so-called Richard Dawkins award for a

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hero of rationalism and this is the 20th

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time this has happened and the 20th

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awardee is Neil deGrasse Tyson the great

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astrophysicist and science popularizer

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he seemed to be particularly moved by

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this I actually interviewed him as a

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skeptical Inquirer readers will know in

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a video interview two months ago in

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preparation for scicon and he talked

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about why he doesn't generally attend

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skeptical conferences but he came to

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this one just because you were going to

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award him with this prize that's very

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nice to hear I I didn't know that but

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anyway he's great fun and the award

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ceremony was great after the after my

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speech and prevented presenting him with

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the award we had an hour-long

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conversation on stage which was a lot of

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fun I must say a very unique thing to

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see so I was at a previous conference

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and I believe it was you and Richard

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Wiseman in conversation that was

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fascinating yes too yes yeah so this was

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really great so Neil gave a talk of his

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own and that was a highlight and then

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this was another highlight so have you

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gotten to see any of the other talks Oh

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yes any of them stand out to them

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memorable oh they've all been good I I

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must say they've just been listening to

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Nicholas little the the lawyer for CFI

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who's conducting a lawsuit against um

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shops that sell sell homeopathic

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remedies these charlatan so-called

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medical remedies and that seem to be

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doing very well and and Nick is working

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extremely hard he's a very good lawyer

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and it's going very well and it's also

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when you hear him talk you know he's

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taking this seriously and personally

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which is interesting to hear from a

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lawyer I think yes most people think

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lawyers are just yeah just doing job but

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he seems to be really concerned yes and

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that this is an injustice being done to

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the population and it's a CFI csi's

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responsibility to try to remedy this

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situation it's not just an injustice to

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the population it's just lies and

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absolutely as a scientist I don't

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disapprove of it so I've interviewed

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Michael Marshall and he's done a great

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deal to try to push back on Homeopathy

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in the UK so what's the current status

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of that in your country I'm afraid I

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don't know I am aware that King Charles

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III

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has a great soft spot for Homeopathy

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he's the head of some homeopathic

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organization which Michael Marshall told

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me he might know me yes and now maybe he

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has to give that up now that he's the

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reigning yeah second thing yes so I hear

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that you're going to go to Australia on

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a trip and the skeptic Zone listeners

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might be particularly interested in that

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because this podcast is listened to

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worldwide but it is centered in

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Australia we're going next February on a

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tour of the major centers and the major

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cities in Australia and then Auckland in

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New Zealand as well oh okay and what's

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the subject of that I think it's just I

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should be interviewed on stage and I I

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don't know what the subject will be but

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it'll be no doubt the kind of thing I

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usually talk about I hope that goes well

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thank you very much thank you for your

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time thank you

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I'm Mick West in my podcast Tales From

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The Rabbit Hole I've extended

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conversations with people who've been

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involved in conspiracy culture I do this

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for a couple of reasons firstly because

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it's really interesting these people

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have great stories about how they fell

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down the conspiracy theory Rabbit Hole

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what they did down there and what it was

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that helped them out sometimes I also

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talk to people who investigate

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conspiracy theories and they have

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equally fascinating stories from the

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other side secondly I want to understand

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how best to prevent the spread of

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conspiracy theorism misinformation which

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is an increasing problem in a time when

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alternative media is exploding the best

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way to do this is to communicate

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effectively with the people involved and

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the best way to do that is with a nice

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long chat check it out Tales From The

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foreign

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[Music]

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hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

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Canada here again to read the highlights

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from the Australian Skeptics newsletter

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this is newsletter number 160. you can

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subscribe to this newsletter and get it

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delivered to your inbox every other week

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complete with links to all the stories

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but now let's see what Tim Mendham has

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for us this week

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hi all says Tim happy All Hallows day

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last week was Halloween which meant that

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we were swamped with stories about ghost

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hauntings and ghost huntings 30 in one

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day a lot but not unusual even on

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non-hallow days

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don't normally feature them in this

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newsletter because they generally

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involve fuzzy photos and indistinct

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audio typical of a genre where

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enthusiasm substitutes for evidence

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we await the actual definitive proof

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which despite the headlines on many of

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those 30 stories is still to be revealed

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meanwhile read on Tim

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okay Tim we'll do just that

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the 2022 annual Australian Skeptics

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National Convention or skepticon for

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2022 will be held at the National

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Library in Canberra on the weekend of

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December 3rd through 4th and for the

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first time since 2019 it will be a

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face-to-face event assuming the world

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doesn't fall back into pandemic mode

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or end in a Mayan apocalypse before then

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tickets for the convention dinner on

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December 3rd have been released a

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three-course meal with bar tab and guest

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speaker for 85 dollars

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the dinner is open to all although

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numbers are limited but for an extra

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treat why not wrap the convention around

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the dinner to see and hear from a bevy

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of leading Skeptics and scientific

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thinkers

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and to keep the fun going there will be

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social get-togethers on Friday December

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2nd at the Civic Pub in Braden from 6 pm

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and post-convention drinks at King

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O'Malley's in the city from 5 PM all

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welcome no charge but please register

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your interest either via cambera

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Skeptics or soon at the ticket page so

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we can know the expected numbers

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we look forward to seeing you there

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[Music]

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still got time to put in a nomination

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for the Australian Skeptics Ben spoon

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award one of the least sought after

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credits in the skeptical world or any

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world for that matter

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if you would like to put someone forward

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for this non-prestigious award then go

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to the bent spoon page for more info on

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how to enter details on current nominees

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and a list of past winners just visit

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when a poll about covid-19 vaccines Is

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Not What It Seems

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this is a fact check piece that outlines

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the problems with online surveys

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especially one that reveals that half of

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all respondents said they regretted

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getting vaccinated against covid-19 or

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were happy with their decision to remain

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unvaccinated

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meanwhile quote only 35 percent out of

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more than 45 000 people said they were

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vaccinated

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and would make the same decision again

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end quote

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the problem is that online polls are

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notoriously unreliable as they are open

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to stuffing of the virtual Ballot Box

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Research into Homeopathy shows quote

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numerous breaches of scientific

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Integrity end quote well surprise

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surprise

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the German Homeopathy Information

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Network has played a key role in

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alerting authorities to some highly

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touted but errorful Research into

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homeopathic treatment of cancer oh dear

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they and the Austrian Initiative for

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scientific medicine had informed the

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Medical University Vienna about their

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findings and the research director then

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asked the Austrian Agency for scientific

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Integrity or

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oeawi to review the paper the analysis

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took some time and included not only the

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paper and publicly available information

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but also the original data

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in the end

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oeawi corroborated the him's findings

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the results are not based on sound

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research but on modified or falsified

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data the fact that the faulty research

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was used as definitive proof of

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homeopathy's Effectiveness only

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indicates what Shaky Ground that dubious

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to put up politely area of medicine

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really is edsert Ernst gives the story

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foreign

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one of those theories which show the

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reverse of the stated conclusion that

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belief in conspiracies generally

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encourages covet conspiracy fears

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although by doing two surveys months

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apart does show some propensity for

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conspiracy beliefs to multiply and feed

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off each other

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67 percent of Americans believe they've

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had a paranormal experience

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we know that Americans tend to have a

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higher religious belief than many other

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Western Nations this survey reveals that

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67 percent believe they've had some sort

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of paranormal experience including

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feeling a presence or unknown energy 37

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percent

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hearing an unexplained sound or music 33

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percent

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and as an aside I have actually

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experienced these Phantom smells as part

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of an aura before a migraine I will

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smell cigarette smoke or gas and it's

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very real but when I call my family no

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one else can smell it it can be quite

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unnerving and hearing the voice of

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someone who wasn't there 29 percent

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the interesting thing is that while

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having an experience is one thing

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explaining it is another

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35 percent are likely to say they are

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otherworldly or Supernatural

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29 think there is a scientific

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explanation that they don't know about

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and 36 percent aren't sure about the

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spooky science behind Ouija boards

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from idiomotor effect to the need for

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quote sense of agency end quote and

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emotional contagion what moves the

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planchette

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probably not ghosts

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Charles III's history of promoting

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Homeopathy gur

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this is a detailed look at some of King

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Charles relationship with alt Med this

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goes beyond edsert Earth's recent

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biography into some very interesting

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history including the foundation for

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Integrated Health that ended with some

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shady goings-on

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experts explain fear and fascination

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with Supernatural

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this is an interesting little article in

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which academics from the University of

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Arizona say our interest in the

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Paranormal is a quote natural human

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impulse end quote a search for meaning

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items of Interest

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[Music]

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top 10 most haunted universities in the

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UK

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[Music]

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you would be forgiven for assuming this

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list would include some of the older

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universities such as Cambridge and

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Oxford but you would be mistaken the

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list is based on the number of

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cemeteries gravestones listed buildings

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along with how long they've been listed

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and alleged paranormal reports within

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two miles of each University campus

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the University of Liverpool tops the

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list Oxbridge which is a portmanteau of

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Oxford and Cambridge I didn't know that

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doesn't even rate a mention although

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Oxford Brooks University quote the less

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famous of Oxford's two universities end

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brunch with the dead that sounds fun

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probably one of the more surreal and

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vulgar events we've heard of where quote

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VIPs dine with rips end quote and this

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is in Las Vegas of course

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this is an event where 272 guests will

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be greeted with a musical set and some

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brunch and our promised quote the best

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odds for anyone that has ever hoped to

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get a reading from a celebrity medium

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end quote

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weird story of the week

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a drunk driver blames paranormal

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activity for damaged car

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a U.S County Sheriff's Office released a

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body camera video of a traffic stop

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where a heavily DUI suspect threatened

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deputies and blamed his impairment on

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Paranormal Activity and a curse on his

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car that had two very flat tires the

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silliness evolved into serious threats

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when the driver told a deputy he was

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going to quote break your head with a

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baseball bat end quote and quote skin

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you alive end quote

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we won't say all believers in the

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Paranormal would do this far from it but

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it is an edifying example of a

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combination of the lack of evidence and

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special events for Sydney Skeptics in

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the pub on the 24th of November our

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guests will be the ESP podcast Claire

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this event will not be streamed so be

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there for the fun for the information

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signing off from the land of snowstorms

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is

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want to teach you about all kinds of

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things regarding science I want to tell

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you about physics I want to tell you

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about chemistry biology astronomy math

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and many many more things come check me

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out on YouTube the channel is called

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what we want is some more evidence

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please

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here's Joe Alabaster

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hello this is Joe Alabaster

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[Music]

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in the early 1920s farmers in Germany

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were noticing degraded soil conditions

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and a deterioration in the health and

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quality of their crops livestock and

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this came to the attention of Rudolf

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Steiner an Austrian philosopher and

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esotericist Rudolph Steiner was the

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pioneer of Waldorf Steiner education

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anthroposophical medicine and biodynamic

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agriculture all of which are still

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practiced today

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biodynamic wines yogurts superfoods and

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cosmetics assaulted a premium price why

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what is it that biodynamic certification

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assures us of that isn't a part of

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regular organic agricultural practice

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well biodynamic farming methods are

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similar to organic farming methods in

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that they prohibit the use of GMOs

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synthetic chemicals fertilizers or

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pesticides but there's an added layer of

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philosophy and Steiner prescribed

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methods and practices on top of the

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standard no chemicals Rule and I know

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all matter is composed to chemicals and

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raspberry too

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from biodynamics.com

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quote

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biodynamics is ultimately not just a set

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of alternative agricultural methods but

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a way of seeing and understanding the

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natural world

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Steiner called for and pioneered a new

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form of science which he called

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spiritual science that could grapple

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with both the material and non-material

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or spiritual aspects of reality

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biodynamic Farmers work to develop their

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capacity to sense and observe the more

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subtle forces at work in nature and to

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use their own insights to further

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enhance the Vitality of their Farms the

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biodynamic methods are thus in a

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continuous state of evolution and

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individualization

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as part of his work on a new approach to

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science Steiner also developed together

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with a number of colleagues a set of

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unique scientific methods for

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demonstrating the presence of Life

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forces in nature and for evaluating the

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quality and vitality of food and soil

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these methods sometimes called the

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picture forming methods are finding

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growing Acceptance in scientific circles

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in Europe these and other traditional

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forms of scientific research have

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consistently demonstrated the benefits

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of biodynamic methods and quote

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well spiritual science

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spiritual science looks into that which

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is beyond science as we Define it it

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deals with the supernatural Concepts

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which are not empirically derived and

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are neither reproducible nor testable

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yet Steiner declared it to be scientific

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regardless and this mode of thinking is

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seen throughout all of the Endeavors he

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established

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what are the scientifically proven

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benefits of biodynamic agriculture

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well they're indistinguishable from

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regular organic farming methods compared

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to Conventional agricultural methods

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organic and biodynamic Farms tend to

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have higher earthworm populations and

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increased biomass but lower yields of

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produce

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the extra work that biodynamic farmers

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put in to meet with Steiner's methods is

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quite astounding though

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an example of the sort of practices that

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Stoner prescribed for biodynamic Farmers

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is the preparation and use of biodynamic

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preparation 500 bd500 a crop spray used

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to inoculate soil

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bd500 must be prepared in various

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specific ways

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in Early Autumn a farmer is to take an

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empty horn from a cow which has had a

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calf and fill it with the fresh manure

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of a cow which has grazed on

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biodynamically worked pasture

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the horn is then to be buried

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underground in a fertile area of a field

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or garden until spring when it's dug up

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and the contents of the horn are removed

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and stored in a loose lidded glass or

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earthenware jar in peat or soil away

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from any chemicals

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bd500 is applied at a rate of 35 grams

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of preparation in 13 liters of water per

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acre

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it is to be mixed in a vessel made of

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water clay copper or stainless steel and

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the vessel must not be overfilled water

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must be clean from a dam or tank if

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using City Water leave overnight to

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allow chemicals in the water to

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evaporate

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proper stirring technique is important

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Begin by stirring in One Direction until

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a Vortex appears then reverse the

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direction until you create another one

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continue stirring and changing direction

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for one hour

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stirring small amounts of preparation in

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large amounts of water is referred to as

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dynamizing and is said to transfer

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forces and energy from the preparation

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payday 500 needs to reach the ground in

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the form of droplets to apply to large

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areas of land use a backpack sprayer

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smaller areas can be treated by dipping

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a handbrush made of horse hair or

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another natural material into a bucket

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of preparation and flicking it over the

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soil

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what's the point of it all

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it's said that the sphere of activity of

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the horn manure preparation is the soil

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life and root zone of the plant that it

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improves soil humus that it affects the

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Dynamics of plant growth from

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germination to harvest

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it's best applied at the beginning of

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the growing season on a cloudy afternoon

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where soil is moist and on fields that

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are uncultivated or freshly turned

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there are several other preparations a

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similar cowhorn one using powdered

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quartz several for improving compost

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involving various herbs and animal

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organs

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bd502 is made from dried yarrow flowers

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placed in a Stag's bladder in Spring

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then hung from a tree until Autumn

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buried in an earthenware container until

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the next spring

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then one tenth of a teaspoon is to be

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placed in the middle of a cubic meter of

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compost where it quote brings light

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forces into the soil via its connection

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with sulfur helping Spirit to penetrate

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matter and enables it to attract Trace

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elements important for reproduction and

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growth venous forces are said to

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manifest in yarrow

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end quote

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from a biodynamics guide quote it's

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ideal to follow the application times

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from the biodynamic calendar to optimize

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Cosmic influence end quote

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yes biodynamics incorporates an

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astrological calendar

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using the phases of the moon to organize

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when to plant fertilize and harvest kind

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of makes sense when you're living in a

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society which is lacking calendars and I

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suppose it still serves as a sensible

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enough way to track the passing of time

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and Seasons but the magical thinking of

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astrology that's incorporated into these

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calendars strikes me as quite

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unnecessary

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during the 90s and early 2000s if there

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wasn't a poster of an independent

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Cinema's yearly Program stuck behind the

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toilet door of a sharehouse I lived in

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or visited there was almost certainly a

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moon planting poster in its place

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it's a fairly pervasive belief by no

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means limited to hardcore alternative

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gardeners with its pseudoscientific

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claims that the gravity wrought by the

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moon has a notable effect on the water

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within plants and soil

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biodynamics makes the further assertion

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that the constellations impact growth

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and fertility

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from

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biodynamic.org dot UK

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quote

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since ancient times the 12 zodiac

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constellations have been associated with

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each of the four elements

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three constellations are connected to

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each element and each element is related

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to a part of the plant Earth root water

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Leaf air flower fire fruit

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for good carrots and Earth root days

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should be chosen for lettuce or water

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Leaf day beans and apples are fire fruit

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day Etc end quote

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it all seems incredibly prescriptive to

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me there's no room for trialling

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different and potentially more efficient

833
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:25,200
or economical methods everything is done

834
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:31,550
some of the principles found within

835
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,140
biodynamics are ones that I too value

836
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,800
the responsible stewardship of land

837
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:39,119
recognition of ecosystems and

838
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:42,480
microclimates minimizing waste but we

839
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:44,760
can be ethical ecologically aware and

840
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:47,220
appreciative agriculturalists or in my

841
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,740
case home gardeners without the need for

842
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,839
dated prescriptive methods or magical

843
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:54,000
thinking

844
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:56,460
as for Life forces

845
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,980
why do we need Supernatural ones

846
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:01,440
influenced by constellations to be an

847
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:02,820
aura of

848
00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:05,339
as a home Gardener I feel a sense of

849
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:08,099
Amazement at what I see unfold around me

850
00:37:12,609 --> 00:37:10,440
seeds which contain dormant life being

851
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:12,619
awakened by the right conditions

852
00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:16,260
microcosms of animals plants and fungi

853
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:18,839
the shapes textures and colors of leaves

854
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:21,660
fruit flowers and bark learning how to

855
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:23,640
adjust the properties of soil to help a

856
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,280
plant Thrive witnessing photosynthesis

857
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,560
and nutrient uptake and genetic

858
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:30,480
manipulation by selective breeding of

859
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:33,480
plants I'm fascinated by it all

860
00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:35,880
so when somebody tells me that their

861
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:37,560
method of alternative gardening or

862
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:40,140
agriculture is more holistic or

863
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:41,940
considered because they're adopting

864
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:43,800
Supernatural beliefs into their practice

865
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:46,140
I really want to ask them

866
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,119
isn't what's actually there what's

867
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,359
observable amazing enough

868
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,520
there's a quote from Douglas Adams of

869
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,920
which I'm particularly fond and in the

870
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:58,079
context of this report it can be taken

871
00:38:01,310 --> 00:38:00,060
quite literally

872
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,320
quote

873
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:03,660
isn't it enough to see that a garden is

874
00:38:08,089 --> 00:38:06,300
beautiful without having to believe that

875
00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:08,099
there are fairies at the bottom of it

876
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:09,840
too end quote

877
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:11,640
[Music]

878
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,170
hey Adrian hi Susan out for some

879
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:29,520
shopping eh yep I'm stocking up on this

880
00:38:35,089 --> 00:38:31,619
imitation maple syrup from Australia

881
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:35,099
imitation imitation

882
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:37,800
no no no you need to buy the real thing

883
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:39,480
from Canada

884
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:41,640
but I saw the TV commercial in it said

885
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,740
that noted pancake eating expert Richard

886
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,540
Saunders says it's the best maple syrup

887
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:48,060
money can buy and 60 of people preferred

888
00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:50,520
in a blind taste test everyone knows

889
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,880
it's the best oh come on Susan you know

890
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:56,160
better than that that's the argument

891
00:39:03,050 --> 00:38:59,820
from Authority it is or is it the

892
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:03,060
argument from popularity hmm

893
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,400
it might be another logical fallacy I'm

894
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:07,680
not sure really if only we had a way of

895
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:14,690
[Music]

896
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:18,300
hello everyone oh my it's the skeptical

897
00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:20,040
Fairy Godmother angel from the internet

898
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,099
yes that's right but how did you know

899
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:26,160
who I am I listened to the skeptic Zone

900
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:29,700
podcast also didn't you used to be the

901
00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:32,700
Tooth Fairy Oh yes

902
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:35,240
I remember you

903
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:38,760
I'll never forget your left upper

904
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:41,599
lateral incisor would you like it back

905
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,200
no it's okay you keep it hey skeptical

906
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:48,000
Fairy Godmother Angel what are you doing

907
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:50,220
here in the supermarket I've come to

908
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:52,920
tell you that you can find out about 40

909
00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:55,140
different logical fallacies on YouTube

910
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:57,310
in one handy location

911
00:40:01,550 --> 00:39:58,680
[Music]

912
00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:01,560
each one to hear an explanation and

913
00:40:08,050 --> 00:40:05,660
examples of how they might be used

914
00:40:09,609 --> 00:40:08,060
just go to

915
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:09,619
tinyurl.com

916
00:40:15,069 --> 00:40:13,320
logical Zone and you'll find all the

917
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:15,079
logical fallacies with Michelle

918
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:18,480
vickersma with handy time codes to get

919
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,760
to the exact one you want who is

920
00:40:25,450 --> 00:40:23,760
Michelle bigesma oh just a friend of

921
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,460
mine

922
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:27,200
tinyurl.com

923
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:30,660
logical Zone thank you skeptical Fairy

924
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,300
Godmother angel I guess you'll disappear

925
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,480
in a puff of smoke and thunder now eh

926
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:39,599
um not quite yet I have a bit of

927
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:44,579
shopping to do Susan yes where do I find

928
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:48,960
the Australian maple syrup hmm what no

929
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:50,940
no no no come with me so-called

930
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:54,599
skeptical fairy this is real maple syrup

931
00:40:57,420 --> 00:41:02,800
foreign

932
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:10,440
[Music]

933
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:16,430
once again

934
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,260
dive back into the Trove archive and

935
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,119
other archives from around the world

936
00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:23,460
digitized newspapers going back many

937
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:26,579
many many years A Welch of information

938
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,740
for research

939
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:30,720
it's amazing to think you can sit at

940
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:33,720
your home and type awake and discover

941
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,900
all sorts of newspaper archives and

942
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:38,960
records information

943
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:43,320
stories reports events and invaluable

944
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:46,740
resource and in keeping with our look

945
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:50,400
and paranormal and in this case around

946
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:52,980
the time that the skeptical movement was

947
00:41:58,750 --> 00:41:55,260
really getting started we're going to

948
00:42:01,930 --> 00:41:58,760
visit once more the age-old battle

949
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:01,940
Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty

950
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:05,700
the doctor and the master

951
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:08,760
in this case another look at James Randy

952
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,290
[Music]

953
00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:18,240
then we find ourselves in the year 1976

954
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:20,760
on the 11th of February in the Red Bank

955
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:25,380
register and this story is by Linda

956
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:28,500
Ellis Ransom

957
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:31,320
when you ring the doorbell a mechanical

958
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:34,380
laugh pulls forth the gape Mouse

959
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:37,260
gargoyle mounted on the entryway at 51

960
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:41,240
Lennox Avenue then asks ominously

961
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:45,420
what evil looks in the hearts of men and

962
00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:49,619
answers the shadow knows James the

963
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,060
amazing Randy who has this amazing door

964
00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:56,400
says the shadow isn't the only one who

965
00:43:02,930 --> 00:42:58,740
knows about evil

966
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:02,940
he says so in a new book The Magic of

967
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:04,619
urigala

968
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:07,319
in which he accuses gittler a young

969
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:11,520
Israeli psychic of shekinry and fraud

970
00:43:16,569 --> 00:43:13,619
Now quickly pause here to say I have a

971
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:16,579
copy of this book in front of me here

972
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:21,119
which was later retitled to be the truth

973
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:23,400
about Yuri Gala

974
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:25,980
and it says one of the most eye-popping

975
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:29,220
exposes of the decade about psychic

976
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,220
claims and Magic James Randy the amazing

977
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:34,800
Randy and this particular issue I have

978
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,040
was copyrighted 1982

979
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:41,280
and it uh it's one of the classics one

980
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,420
of the classics of skeptical

981
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:44,880
investigation to this very day it's

982
00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:46,920
quite extensive

983
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,599
a recommended book

984
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,640
now normally I try to do Randy

985
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:53,579
Impressions when I do these um uh quotes

986
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:55,319
from him but I think I'll forgo that

987
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:57,420
today because there's quite a lot of

988
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:00,060
quotes here from Randy so so I think

989
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:03,060
you'll understand I am a fake a phony

990
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:06,780
but I am an Entertainer a magician I say

991
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:11,579
so Mr Randy declares he gella is a phony

992
00:44:16,490 --> 00:44:14,760
but he claims to be a second Messiah he

993
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:16,500
does nightclub magician tricks and

994
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:18,540
claims they are not magic but a result

995
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:22,680
of psychic powers he is a charlatan the

996
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:25,140
master of Ledger domain alleges in

997
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:27,420
interviews and in his book

998
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,720
in 1972 according to the ransom author's

999
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,200
book Mr Geller convinced Apollo 14

1000
00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:36,000
astronaut Edgar Mitchell and the

1001
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:38,780
prestigious Stanford Research Institute

1002
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,160
SRI that he is together could read minds

1003
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:47,280
foretell events and with sheer psychic

1004
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,280
energy distort magnetic fields streams

1005
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:53,520
of electrons and solid metallic objects

1006
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,940
Mr Randy said in an interview that once

1007
00:45:02,089 --> 00:44:59,280
Mr Mitchell became a Believer he

1008
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:02,099
Mitchell financed Mr Geller's trip to

1009
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:05,220
California the SRI established the

1010
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:08,460
psychic as a consultant involved in

1011
00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:12,119
psychic research at a stipend of one

1012
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:13,859
hundred dollars a day plus expenses

1013
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:17,339
today Mr Randy said Mr Geller is in

1014
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:19,800
Mexico searching for buried gold with

1015
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:23,940
psychic tools psychic phenomena include

1016
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:26,819
Clairvoyance awareness of events and

1017
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:29,460
objects that lie outside the perimeters

1018
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,940
of the five senses psychokinesis mental

1019
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:35,359
ability to influence physical objects

1020
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:39,420
and precognition for knowledge of events

1021
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:42,060
there is a running dispute amongst

1022
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:46,200
scientists laymen magicians and psychics

1023
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:50,160
as to the truth of psychic claims Mr

1024
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:53,160
Randy in the softcover book with sales

1025
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:57,180
at this date of 300 000 writes and

1026
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,119
illustrates his thesis that gila's

1027
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,400
supposed metal bending abilities are

1028
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:04,800
merely tricks accomplished by sleight of

1029
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:07,140
hand that his claims of having been

1030
00:46:11,710 --> 00:46:08,760
tested under rigorous scientific

1031
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:11,720
conditions are a crock of nonsense

1032
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:14,040
Geller's telepathic abilities are

1033
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:16,680
demonstrated by tired Conjuring Dodgers

1034
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,859
Mr Randy writes that have been used for

1035
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:22,319
a century and which depend on lose

1036
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:25,260
control for their success he has chosen

1037
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,140
to be tested by men of science who have

1038
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:30,240
already declared themselves Believers in

1039
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:32,460
paranormal nonsense a former nightclub

1040
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,160
magician in Israel gella has made wild

1041
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:37,680
claims of wondrous accomplishment that

1042
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,200
never took place The Necromancer notes

1043
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:43,680
in his book in 1971 Gala was found

1044
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:47,940
guilty in Israel of breach of Promise of

1045
00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:50,760
defrauding in that he promised to

1046
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:53,480
perform Feats of telepathy

1047
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:57,000
parapsychology hypnotism and telekinesis

1048
00:47:01,849 --> 00:46:59,339
while in fact he merely employed sleight

1049
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:01,859
of hand and Stage tricks the author

1050
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:04,140
States in his book which is going into

1051
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:07,619
its third printing by Valentine books

1052
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:12,300
The Magic of urigala is studded with

1053
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:14,700
favorable reviews about Randy's research

1054
00:47:19,450 --> 00:47:17,760
from scientists academics and writers

1055
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:19,460
example

1056
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,339
a fascinating dissection of regular's

1057
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,160
humbuggery a healthy antidote to

1058
00:47:31,609 --> 00:47:29,280
charltonism on all levels right to Carl

1059
00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:31,619
Sagan a professor of astronomy and space

1060
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,560
Sciences at Colonel University

1061
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:37,680
to the Delight of two small children and

1062
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:41,520
the Distortion of two of this report is

1063
00:47:45,849 --> 00:47:43,980
teaspoons Mr Randy proceeded to

1064
00:47:49,309 --> 00:47:45,859
demonstrate that with sleight of hand

1065
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,319
and a line of patter he could bend a

1066
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,079
metal utensil in half while its owner

1067
00:47:58,010 --> 00:47:54,720
held the working end two of a Daily

1068
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,020
Register of photographers Keys met the

1069
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:01,280
same fate Mr Randy then reversed a watch

1070
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:03,960
precisely one hour with four people

1071
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,200
watching we thought his every move and

1072
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:09,839
one of us holding fast to the watch

1073
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:12,720
workings Mr Randy describes in his book

1074
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:15,780
how he has performed every trick in Mr

1075
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:19,200
Geller's bag on talk shows and before

1076
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:21,900
scientists and media people in his book

1077
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:24,359
Mr Randy describes how the tricks are

1078
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:28,680
done with standard magician trickery on

1079
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:31,380
The Tonight Show in 1974 after Johnny

1080
00:48:37,849 --> 00:48:35,220
Carson set up airtight controls had Mr

1081
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:37,859
Randy's suggestion nothing that Mr

1082
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:39,720
Geller attempted during a 20-minute

1083
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,020
session seemed to work according to a

1084
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:45,780
March cover story in Time Magazine

1085
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:48,660
and I'll quickly uh break in here to say

1086
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,520
that that appearance of Yuri Geller on

1087
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:52,859
Johnny Carson where Randy introduced the

1088
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,800
uh controls to stop any cheating is

1089
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,020
available on YouTube and I'll link to

1090
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:59,520
that in this week's show notes it's

1091
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:01,140
certainly worth watching

1092
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:03,960
Mr Randy said his exposure of Mr Galla's

1093
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,540
performances is essential to reveal the

1094
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:09,839
professed psychic for the charlatan that

1095
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:12,180
Mr Randy and many others according to

1096
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:15,480
the book believe he is Mr Randy said he

1097
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:18,660
wrote the book because Gala is changing

1098
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:20,760
the thinking of a whole generation of

1099
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:23,099
Americans making them believe in Things

1100
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:25,560
That Go Bump in the night the press the

1101
00:49:31,069 --> 00:49:28,440
digitationalist proposes to stop that he

1102
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:31,079
said I want people to stop believing in

1103
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:34,560
things that don't exist Mr Randy said in

1104
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:37,680
the interview lies irrationality and

1105
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:40,200
deceit cannot be a positive influence

1106
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the magician maintains beyond that Mr

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Randy said there is the gala effect the

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ability of Gala to convince people that

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he was sent here to save mankind its

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gullibility and hard to battle he has

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Charmed many people

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Mr Randy said in discussing his reasons

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for putting the magic together

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he really appeals to the young in revolt

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against an older generation he'll fund a

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full-blown religion if he's not stopped

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Mr Randy continued he has Charisma many

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people want him to succeed and save the

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world with psychic powers some

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scientists still believe in him Mr Randy

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00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:26,940
said in the interview those few believe

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00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:29,460
that if they cannot explain something

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scientifically they figure it has to be

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00:50:39,130 --> 00:50:35,900
Supernatural they don't understand that

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00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:39,140
unexplained does not mean unexplainable

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some scientists think they can't be

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fooled Mr Randy said Mr Geller explains

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his failures under controlled conditions

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as proof of his reality Mr Randy wrote

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in his book that Mr Geller claims a

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00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:58,079
safety valve when he fails

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00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:00,900
when he succeeds he claims success as a

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00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,300
psychic when he fails he claims that

1134
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:06,480
negative vibrations which only affect

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00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:09,540
true psychics caused his failure the

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00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:12,660
magician author said our local Sorcerers

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00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:15,180
first and last personal encounter with

1138
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,440
Mr Geller was in February of 1973 when

1139
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:21,599
the ransom Resident was asked by Time

1140
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:24,420
Magazine to sit in on a session between

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the Magazine's editors and Mr Geller

1142
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,460
while a cover story on psychics was

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00:51:34,270 --> 00:51:31,200
being planned

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00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,280
I was introduced to gella as a reporter

1145
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I dutifully made notes and asked

1146
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,800
questions Gila did his routine and it

1147
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,680
was so transparent I duplicated his

1148
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entire routine as soon as he left Mr

1149
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:49,140
Randy said Mr Randy said he has a

1150
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standing offer to Mr Geller to sue him

1151
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if magic is libless

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00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,380
and magic of course referring to the

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book he's never communicated with me so

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00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:03,839
I assume he knows it's all true the

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writer said

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Randy's Revelations contributed to our

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first story on Gala which charged in

1158
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:13,260
effect that SRI had been hoodwinked by

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an Israeli magician writes Leonard

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00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:18,839
jarath senior editor of Time magazine in

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his introduction to the book

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no matter how clever the next Gala is

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James Randy will be there his eyes

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gleaming Mr Joff writes ready to do

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battle for legitimate magic everywhere

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and we have a photograph accompanying

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this article there's James Randy roughly

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what should we say in his mid-40s

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looking intently at a spoon he's just

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bent

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and the caption reads

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sacrificial spoon using sleight of hand

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theatrics and distractions James the

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00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:01,380
amazing Randy of Ransom demonstrates how

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00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:03,780
a metal spoon can be distorted without

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force in a new book The Magic of Yuri

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Gala the magician sets out to prove that

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00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:12,240
the young psychic bends his spoons by

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the same magician's tricks and not by

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I think it's very important to revisit

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this time in history because it's not

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only the period that sort of spurred on

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the modern skeptical movement but it's a

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00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:36,960
lesson to us all in how scientists media

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00:53:42,609 --> 00:53:39,780
people everyday people in the street can

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be fooled by magicians tricks which is

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00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:46,079
the whole idea of magic and Conjuring

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but how they can be distorted those same

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00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,240
tricks and Illusions can be distorted to

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00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:57,599
benefit someone like Yuri Gala making

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00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:00,300
these sort of claims and thousands upon

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00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:02,760
thousands of people will believe it

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00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:07,760
and still do to this very day although

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00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:11,640
uh for many people now the name Yuri

1195
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:14,520
Geller is simply an unknown it's too far

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00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:16,380
back in the past and in a way it's too

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00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:17,579
obscure

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and as I have said many many times

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that's a big clue

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it's a big clue it's a big hint it's a

1201
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,040
big indication to us all that his claims

1202
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:27,839
were baseless because if they were real

1203
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,720
if people really could Bend metal using

1204
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psychic and paranormal powers

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[Music]

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um

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and that was established in the 70s by

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00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:38,819
now it would simply be part of our

1209
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:43,200
society and somehow it isn't

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so again that comes from the pages of

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the Red Bank register from the 11th of

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and don't forget that you too can enjoy

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many hours of research and

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digging out interesting articles if you

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go to Trove at

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trove.nla.gov dot a U or your local

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online newspaper archive no matter where

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you are around the world

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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Zone podcast this week and thank you to

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come on board it means that I can keep

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bringing you the skeptic Zone every week

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appeared on the last episode of the

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skeptic's guide to the universe as a

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guest Rogue and had a lot of fun with my

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old friends on that podcast

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coming up on next week's show let me

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have a look here on my uh little system

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here in my iPad where I catalog all the

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uh upcoming shows what's that okay next

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week's show oh it's blank that means

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00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,359
it's a mystery that means I can't

1238
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:17,280
predict the future that means we'll all

1239
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,140
have to wait till next week to find out

1240
00:56:24,049 --> 00:56:21,839
but for this week this is Richard

1241
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:24,059
Saunders signing off from Sydney

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00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:31,010
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[Music]

1259
00:57:30,589 --> 00:57:28,559
hello my name is

1260
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:30,599
it's very noisy hello to all those

1261
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,520
people who listen after the music for

1262
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:34,859
the Easter egg that is the dice game

1263
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:38,400
sometimes I roll a dice a die and you

1264
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:40,680
use your whatever Powers you wish

1265
00:57:44,089 --> 00:57:42,540
to predict what numbers are going to

1266
00:57:47,690 --> 00:57:44,099
come up

1267
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,700
and this is a 10-sided die this week I

1268
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:49,440
can crawl it three times in my dice

1269
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:51,720
machine kindly donated by my friend

1270
00:57:56,569 --> 00:57:54,540
Gregory in the Bay Area

1271
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:56,579
roll number one here we go I'm gonna

1272
00:57:59,330 --> 00:57:57,420
rattle

1273
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:59,340
dice put it in the machine and

1274
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:01,140
[Music]

1275
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:07,309
number one

1276
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:10,770
we go and

1277
00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:13,020
[Music]

1278
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:20,030
am I detecting a pattern here

1279
00:58:25,849 --> 00:58:23,330
four and four one more and here it comes

1280
00:58:29,089 --> 00:58:25,859
[Music]

1281
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:29,099
well it's not a four Susan it's not a

1282
00:58:32,809 --> 00:58:31,260
five

1283
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:32,819
ten

1284
00:58:38,329 --> 00:58:35,940
there we are today's winning numbers and

1285
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,339
what do you win you win a chance to